Question by ..*Real-ality*..: ..Einstein called this “spooky action at a distance”…?
Have you ever heard of this?
I have been reading entangled minds, and it’s really got me thinking, but it seems like i knew this stuff all along. It’s just confirming what i ‘intuitively’ knew.
This is what is Einstein wrote “spooky action at a distance” is, “The way two objects remain connected through time and space, without communicating in any conventional way, long after their initial interaction has taken place.”
What do you think do you think about that statement?
Then read this: When you drill down into the core of even the most solid looking material, separateness dissolves. All that remains are those relationships curiously extended through time and space.
Then, what about people and consciousness?(or the problem of other minds)
What about these intuitive hunches we get about other people or future events?
And the fact that, quantum physics, is telling us, this is not too viewed as a phenomena anymore, this is real and an actual occurrence.
Thoughts?
“Einstein had a philosophic disagreement with quantum physics”
Yes Einstein did, and today he would be very upset if he found out the direction we’ve taken quantum physics.
I know that he felt like either; we couldn’t fathom it.
~or
we would get ourselves into trouble..
Sorry, i don’t remember exactly which one he said right now…
I’ll look it up l8r.
How Are All these things interconnected?
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Answer by jack d
Good question.
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Should we drill into ourselves, separate some materials and find out?
Awful, big discourse there, but I’ll take a stab at it.
Quantum entanglement has been established, but I’m not entirely certain how it’s practical. Personally, I think your inquest would be more interesting if you came at it from a spatio-temporal perspective. Do we know what other people are thinking/experiencing because our quarks are entangled or do we know what they’re experiencing because there is no “void” or emptiness between objects in the first place. Perhaps it’s all just one large connected mass with our own mental aberrations creating distance by limiting ourselves to a three-dimensional perspective. Play around with the concept of Mount Quaf, singularities and Zero Points. It’s far more fun….
I ask you this instead. If you can see future what does it give you besides the knowledge it will happen? Future can not be chaged just like the past. Whatever you do in the present determens the future. If you really see the real future, it’s an event that has taken place in it’s past. When you say you changed future, you did really nothing, it was planned that way from the beginning.
Experimental tests show that such actions do occur. A test in Switzerland showed two ‘entangled’ particles reacted over a distance of one mile instantaneously, breaking Einstein’s speed of light barrier. No one knows how the particles ‘communicate’ but they do.
btw, Einstein had a philosophic disagreement with quantum physics, but continued experiments confirm that we do live in a quantum Universe. God does play dice with the Universe.
As to the ontological question, remember physics only seeks to explain the ‘measurable.’ Being may not be measurable with any physical instrument.
If “spooky action at a distance” is true then it means that information travels faster than the speed of light or atleast that is what I picked up somewhere. Occasionally you see this idea of a connection between two people across time and space depicted in stories (sometimes biographies) and movies. In Apollo 13, Tom Hanks’ character stares out of a window on the capsule towards Earth; followed by images of his wife looking up towards space (i.e. towards her husband). There are countless other examples but that was the first that came to mind. How many times have you thought about someone in your life and then a few minutes later you get a letter or phone call from that person? Just the other day I was washing dishes and my thoughts suddenly went to a friend that I had not thought about for some time. I knew she had been pregnant but I’d been so busy that I had not thought to call so I lost track of time. I made a mental note to send a gift and card. Not more than a few hours went by and I get an email announcing the birth of her first baby. Remarkable.
This is what a scientist said: “Given that dark matter is the most common stuff in the universe, the fact that we know almost nothing about it at the moment is really rather embarrassing.”
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20070515/sc_nm/space_matter_dc;_ylt=AuVAUdTdQr0OWaReYMeXC.ADW7oF
I mean, every time I see something like this, is really very disappointing, with all the billions they spend on Science and High-Tech, and they still know nothing about the most common stuff in the Universe!0!
I don’t think Einstein would be upset about Quantum now, to spare his bones at the expense of the future. Would he agree with that? He could well understand our generation moving on ahead of him, after his conculsive overturning of his own predecessor Isaac Newton, don’t you think….?
but anyway… “Spooky action at a distance. ” is non locality, the mechanism of this is not known well enough for a nice workable theory. So we have conclusive evidence to believe that physical systems do not exist in isolation, yes. But taking such an idea into the framework of the systems we are used to in our day to day life is a very big leap for the science that is known about it, presently, rather insurmountable. That is not to say that the philosophical conversation about it is null, just that it has to make big leaps in judgement, and there is little way present of knowing if they are the right direction.
Generally the less objective these leaps are, the less likely science will ever be able to back them up.
So it’s there… but… the mechanism is in the realm of almost pure speculation, but for the light speed boundary of special relativity, we’d have close to nothing.
Consciousness can never really take the place of an objective answer. It can take it’s own place in the framework of our speculation, and in that place it is somewhat of the philosophers answer to these questions, but it has no possibility of being science’s answer it’s simply too ambiguous for science.
There is no measurably known thing that can be tagged the culprit behind entanglement, it happens somewhere, and congeals instantaneously in the observation.. that’s the spooky thing about it…. but there is clearly something not understood, there is no scientific record of a thing that can be in all places at once faster than light can, at least, that is how it seems.
I personally think that the reality that will eventually be exposed by all of these discoveries is an intuitive truth; I totally believe that you know and have always known your connection to your world.
In the end, I guess, the scientific answer, and the philosophical answer will come to common ground. I doon’t think we are far from that happening, but there is a lot of distance between the philosophy and the science to make up in that time.
Good luck with your musings.
This is a fascinating phenomenon, which is as yet unexplained.
Basically, if two objects of opposite magnetism (one negative, one positive) are connected in some way (we don’t know how), then when one of them flips upside down, the other one will do the same, to preserve the proper magnetic alignment, even if the objects are light years apart. Spooky is a good word for it.
Intuition may very well be real and legitimate, but I don’t think I would associate it with this physical phenomenon, because the mind is immaterial (if you allow that the mind is distinct from the brain). It may still have things acting on it that allow it to have intuitive feelings about people or events, but the forces that act on the mind would have to be different than the forces that act on objects, due to the fact that the mind is non-physical and objects are physical things.
Maybe someday we’ll understand the source of all of these apparently unexplainable phenomena, but probably not soon!
According to Hidu philosophy, all souls(AAtmas) are a part of a biggerAAtma, God(Parmatma). the fact is that you canot move a finger without disturbing every thing in the cosmos. so every thing in the cosmos is interrelated.one can expect this even according th the laws of physics
Einstein was right on many issues, connections absent a physical “connection” is more about what reality is than isen’t.
If you place the “self” and consciousness first, and the physical body second, it all comes together.
Time is a facade, a distortion of reality We alone creat “to make sense of it all”; as we think in linear terms, we also must have that linear line of time to look “forward” and “backwards”; this way , again, “it all makes sense” to us.
What I think was spooky to Uncle Albert was his scientific mind is so grounded in corporeal “reality”, he struggeld getting his feet off the ground in the real world.
Your intuitive hunches are consciousness touching and opening up, your awareness expanding away from the focul point you now call “reality”, we “are consciousnes first” and physical second. That “hunch” is the alternate, remember, everything is happening at once; reality Is Not in a linear format; Einstein has shown, via math, that there is much to be yet explained.
Absent providing scientific arguments or math: Reality is happening “all at once”; it is our very consciousness that skips around, we can refer to that as “reincarnation” as we are running about picking up as much experience in this reality as we need to learn certain lessons we have agreed to learn; all for the betterment lf ourselves;
Einstein writes of spookyness at a distance, as purhaps he can’t put a mathematical finger on what he is percieving; that connection he speaks of is simply the physical vacancy we percieve as “nothing”, yet, Everything is there, the body percieved as “dead”, is more alive in the non-physical terms, thus, the hole drilled is a perceptive hole in the physical world we rely on; yet, the hole is placed there by us and actually the wood “participates” in agreement with us to drill that hole as the wood itself has a valid consciousness, yet, not as we would determine it as a “being” such as ourselves; complex, maybe, supported by science, maybe; then, ask who made science and why? A facade must have a false front that “fools the veiwer”…
Time is a prime facade as it “fools us into believing what it tells us”; in reality, time isen’t.
Einstein learned it all makes sense, up to a point, then nothing makes sense…
The facade only falls away upon discovery for the true nature of reality; and this is a spiritual evolution on the individual; as a species we will move forward when each has done thier deeds needed to learn and progress.
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failing to see the connection doesnt mean there isn’t one. the answer is that its not as distant a connection as you think. it only appears such to us.