Apr 102013
 

Question by Scipio: Is there any historical evidence that Moses existed and led the Jews out of Egypt?
Just finnished watching ” the god who was’ent there”. I was wondering if the same could be said about the jews in Egypt.

Best answer:

Answer by che
no, but people who see fairy’s and believe in the boogeyman will tell you difeerent

What do you think? Answer below!

  5 Responses to “Is there any historical evidence that Moses existed and led the Jews out of Egypt?”

  1. No. There were probably Israelites in Egypt over some time, but given the importance and cosmopolitan extent of the Egyptian empire, there were all sorts of foreigners there from time to time.
    But there is no doubt that Charlton Heston existed, and that he parted the Red Sea for Cecil B. DeMille. A quick visit to Blockbuster will prove it.

  2. The film suggests that modern Christians aren’t taught about early history of their religion because doing so would call the historicity of Jesus into question.

    I don’t think that’s it at all.

    I believe that Jesus’ DIVINITY would be called into question instead.
    There is no doubt in my mind that Jesus WAS a real person, he DID exist.
    If one studies historical theology in the depth that I have, and I am no where NEAR an expert, one will see the hugely political ramifications of who he was, who his family was, who his cousin John the Baptist and his family actually was. His life was greatly historical and caused a chain of events in his time and shortly thereafter that lasted for centuries.
    You can “follow the dots” of his life and afterwards.

    As for Moses…. same thing. Except with Moses you have to “follow the dots” backwards. Religious scripture and oral tradition, THE history books of the time, allowed enough information that we can historically back track to places, incidents, kings, Pharaohs, and events, etc.

    The Naked Archaeologist, Simcha Jacobovici, just did an incredible show on the Scientific Possibility of the Plagues of Egypt and the Proof of the Jews Leaving Egypt.
    I remember thinking, I’ll be damned, he proved it, and he proved it scientifically. I was completely mesmerized.

    Fact, Jews WERE enslaved in Egypt. Fact, there WAS a Jesus. Fact, there WAS somebody in Egypt by the name of Moses who was a Jew.
    As for the rest of it…..? I just think there is too much information and tradition and beliefs…. that come from other places and sources, that confirm SOMETHING happened.

    Remember, there is ALWAYS some truth in myths and legends.

    EDIT;

    1 Jews did NOT “descend” from Arabs. FACT, genetically they are the same people…born of the Semitic tribes of the ancient middle east. They BOTH claim descension from the same person… Abraham.
    Ismael & Isaac were BROTHERS. Neither the Arabs OR Jews disclaim this fact. Arabs & Jews are only separated by a couple of years.
    For two different groups of people that do NOT like one another, this would be a pretty ridiculous claim for BOTH of them to make if it wasn’t true. Arabs AND Jews KNOW they are brothers BY BLOOD.

    2 Egyptians knew exactly WHO the HEBREWS were. They have pictures of them. They call them by name. Hebrews AND Jews are the SAME people.

    3. There were TWO completely DIFFERENT sects of Jews at the time of their Babylonian capture. Israel AND Judea. It IS written in Babylonian records, a people that DID write. It IS part of Babylonia history of the capture of the Jews and their eventual release. The Jewish Queen Esther IS part of Babylonian history. The returning Jews had major problems / issues with the Jews that weren’t removed from their homes. They had extreme assimilation problems. There were pockets / sects of Jews all over the middle east. To “wipe out” one “nation” of Jews meant nothing. There were Twelve Tribes of Israel, as different as the day is long. And they ARE historically noted…. by OTHER races.

    4 No one BELIEVED Abraham’s city of Ur existed… until they FOUND it. No one BELIEVED that Sodom and Gormorrah exist until they quite recently actually, uncovered a mosiac tile featuring a map of the Dead Sea region with Sodom and Gormorrah sitting right there on it. And, ha…get this…they were both where “tradition” always said they would be.

    5 Please explain to me WHY an extremely LARGE, intelligent group of people would CONTINUOUSLY celebrate, for THOUSANDS of years, from the very beginning of the actual event…. a holiday…. Passover…. a tradition that has gone unchanged for all these years…. an event that NEVER happened? That is absolutely absurd. It’s sheer stupidity to even think that.

    6 The Naked Archaeologist, Simcha Jacobovici, did a lovely show, and it WAS based upon a series of premises that were ASSUMED. But it was one hellava assumption. All he really wanted to show was that the “miracles” of the Plagues were easily and scientifically POSSIBLE and he DID offer some very interesting arguments, WITHOUT Bible (or rather Torah) thumping.

    7 As Louise C below has stated, quoting Brian M. Fagan, the maximalists believe that the biblical narrative retains a considerable amount of accurate historical information, collected from various oral and written sources. Which IS true, BUT, it also contains some HORRIBLE and sometimes FLAGRANT mistranslations. If you knew this you would know that Joseph the father of Jesus was NOT a carpenter nor was Mary Magdalene a hooker! And that Jesus, being in the line of David, was in fact the Heir-Apparent for the Throne of Israel and the John the Baptist, son of the High Priest, in the line of Judah, the RULING religious sect of the Jews….. they were arguably the MOST important AND powerful men of the Jewish nation at that time. The Romans saw NO religious or esoteric event happening here. What they saw was a building and great political following of the unseated AND legitimate ruling class of the Jews.

    8 I will reiterate what Louise C below has stated, quoting Brian M. Fagan, ‘So although direct proof for Moses and the Exodus is lacking, there is a considerable body of circumstantial evidence that is hard to ignore.’

    Sorry so long winded, historical theology is kinda ‘my thing’.

  3. Unfortunately, no there is no archaeological proof that the Semites who lived in Egypt were the people who came to be called Jews.

    The Naked Archaeologist, Simcha Jacobovici, did a lovely show, but it was based upon a series of premises that were assumed and not proved.

    It’s very likely that the Jews DID, in fact, live for a time in Egypt, as many of early elements of Judaism as so similar to the religion of early Egypt. But, up until now, there hasn’t been any EVIDENCE. Maybe someday there will be, but not yet.

  4. In ‘The Seventy Mysteries of the Ancient World’, it says:

    ‘Not all scholars believe either that Moses existed or that the Exodus from Egypt ever took place as it is recorded. Many, however, consider that while the biblical account of the miracles of the ten plagues and the crossing of the Red Sea is mythical as it is presented, there is nevertheless a core of historical information contained in the narratives, as found mainly in the books of Exodus, Numbers and Deuteronomy. The two schools of thought are often called ‘minimalist’ and ‘maximalist’ and the controversy about the Exodus story is part of a much larger debate about the use of the Hebrew Bible as a source for the history of Israel.

    The minamilsts point to a lack of specific evidence in Egypt, sinai or anywhere else. They believe that the Biblical narratives were composed very much later than the events they purport ot describe. also, as there was no such thing as the writing of history at that time, the stoires in the Bible are merely myth and folklore and unreliable and inaccurate.

    The maximalists on the other hand, who comprise the majority view, believe that the biblical narrative retains a considerable amount of accurate historical information, collected from various oral and written sources.

    Such scholars point out that there is a primary narrative concerning the group led by Moses, who received the Law (Torah) at Mount Sinai. In addition to the Exodus under Moses, the biblical account also preserves traces of several journeys in Sinai, so it is at least possible that the ancestral israelites were coming and going over a long period. While it is impossible to be certain of the route of the Exodus, and of the location of many of the places mentioned by names unknown today in Sinai, these scholars believe that archaeological and historical studies have the potential to throw light on biblical studies.

    The maxamilists point to a large body of circumstantial evidence indicating both the presence of Semitic people in Egypt, and the arrival of a new population in the central highlands of Judah in the 13th-12th centuries BC. using the known facts of Egyptian history they demonstrate that from the 19th century BC and perhaps earlier, groups of Semetic nomads ere coming to Egypt to trade, buy food and some to settle if they could, usually in the eastern part of the Nile delta. Among these immigrant groups were the ancestors of the Israelites, the patriarchal clans under Jacob’s leadership.

    During a subsequent period of Egyptian weakness the descendents of the original settlers established their own rule over the delta region, founding their capital at Avaris., They are known to history as the Hyksos, a name meaning ;chiefs of foreign hill country’ – a good description of southern Canaan. their leaders were chased out of Egypt by a resurgent native dyjnasty around the mid-16th century BC. The bulk of the Semitic peasantry remained behind to become part of the agrarian population of the delta. it is these folk who were ‘enslaved’ in the biblical account.

    The pharoahs of the 19th dynasty constructed several cities, and a chain of border fortresses and suppluy depots, to prevent incursions from the bedouin of Sinai and others. To achieve this the pahroahs employed the population of the region in a corvee labour system. among the Egyptian villagers were descendents of Hyksos groups as well as other immigrants, all of them no doubt eager to escape this unwelcome imposition. thus the israelites are said to have left Egypt with a mixed multitude. it is therefore believed by experts that the Exodus fits best into 13th century BC setting, during the long reing of Ramesses II (c1290-1224 BC).

    There is little evidence for the conquest of the promised and as related int he books of Joshua and Judges, but there is evidence for the establishment of small farming villages in thsoe hills for the first time. They date to between the 13th and 11th centuries BC, at the same time as the lands bordering the east mediterranean were under attack by migrants from the Aegean world. refugees from the disruption on th ecoastl plain made new lives for themselves in the village sin the hill country inland, where they met up with Israelites coming from the east. There are many signs of technological inovations in the agricultural communities that they established together. One interesting fact is that, in contrast to the conteporaneous coastal settlements, there is no evidence of pig bones among the animal remains from the majority of these villages. This may well indicate not on the presence of Israelites in the hill villages, but also the fact that hit was thei religious beliefs that governed these communities.

    There is one other piece of evidence that constitutes conclusive proof for the presence of israel in Canaan by the late 12th and 11th centuries BC. In 1219 the phaoraph Merneptah campaigned through the area in the hope of re-establishing Egyptian control. In the commemorative monument he later se tup at Karank listing his conquests, he noted that among others in Canaan he had utterly destroyed the people of israel. it is ironic that the first extra-biblical note of the existence of israel also lays claim to its total destruction.

    So although direct proof for Moses and the Exodus is lacking, there is a considerable body of circumstantial evidence that is hard to ignore.’

  5. Hello,some people believe,that when the heretic king of Egypt,Akenaten who believed in the one god religion,died,his follows were then persecuted,as the country went back to the old believe in more than one god,and some believe that Akenaten’s followers fled Egypt to Israel,its interesting to note,that the name Moses,could be a twist on the Egyptian name Meses,which means born of,e.g. Tutmosis,born of Toth,of course this would mean that the Jews descended from Arabs,what a stir that would cause,hope i have helped.

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