Question by frozen-heart: Doesn’t this sound like a scientific experiment?
I mean people now are “dead”, and when they get back, they tell the doctors what was happening when they were unconscious. Now, I know that lights and “Angels” (In Islam, they are the same; We Muslims believe, as the Qur’an states, that Angels are created from light) maybe due to more Carbon dioxide in the blood, but what science can’t explain is the fact that those people tell others what was happening when they were “Dead”. I don’t base my knowledge of God on such things. In fact, I don’t even need the Qur’an to know that there is a God, but the evidence is overwhelming, especially now that there are very known non-religious Neuroscientists talking about out-of-body consciousness.
Now let’s get to the question.
In Physics, we know that Dark Matter and Energy must exist, although we don’t see them; we know them by their effects, but nobody says: “We don’t see them, so they don’t exist”. Doesn’t the same thing apply here: We don’t see the out-of-body-consciousness, but we have its effects. When a Doctor is faced by his ex-“dead” patient telling him about everything that happened when he was Physically unconscious, why do you think we should eliminate the option that an out-of-body consciousness can be responsible for that? In fact, it’s the only comprehensive explanation.
Best answer:
Answer by The Least of Jesus’ Brothers
We cannot see/measure the effects. It comes down to a bare assertion fallacy.
No fMRI testing has backed up an un-dead person’s claims.
Key science words here are:
1. Falsifiable (these claims are not)
2. Verifiable (these claims are not)
3. Repeatable (good luck with this one)
What do you think? Answer below!
Actually, it sounds more like a normal case of neurology to me.
Nothing “strange” or supernatural about it at all.
PS: Those “non-religious Neuroscientists” you talk about might be noon-religious, but their medical expertise is to medicine what astrology is to astronomy: Quackery
Some people be live that since the stories people who have been brought back for being dead are similar, what happens is the same chemical reaction of the brain as it dies creates these images. It’s just one of many theories.
It’s certainly something that should be allowed as a hypothesis. And then you should devise a controlled experiment to test it.
While there are many anecdotes, I would not make your strong statements that “the evidence is overwhelming” or “it’s the only comprehensive explanation”. Attempts to do controlled experiments have so far, to the best of my knowledge, failed to show that a true out-of-body experience happened.
People talk about looking down on their body from above, but even that is a sensation that can be produced artificially. It doesn’t actually let you see things you couldn’t see from the lying down viewpoint. Your mind is just giving you the illusion.
I just read the fascinating book “Spooked” by Mary Roach, who reviews a lot of the scientific work to seek the reality of the soul, or life after death, or out of body experiences. Her chapter on this subject might interest you.
They were never “dead.” Dead means dead, no coming back. Having your heart stop or your lungs stop breathing isn’t “dead.” Dead is brain death, and nobody anywhere ever has “come back” from it.
Their hallucinatory experiences are explained quite well by brain chemistry and activity, and can be replicated quite easily by chemical injections — clearly demonstrating that there’s no “supernatural” thing going on, just brain chemistry and activity.
So there are no “effects” of your claimed “out of body consciousness” — since we already know what causes these hallucinations, and it’s got nothing to do with an “out of body consciousness.”
Peace.
When you “die”, your brain is still living and working for a limited time. the lights are from the oxygen deprivation, and your brain still comprehends sensory input, and you perceive is your brain trying to understand the sensory input. No god needed. Also, we have many ways to prove the existence of energy and dark matter, while not one scientific, flawless proof of god exists. proof that the brain still lives us the fact that you would regain consciousness with your ability to think and function. sometimes, people aren’t so lucky and lose some functionality, but they still have their life.
here’s a simple test
get a piece of paper, write an uncommon word on it and put it on the patient’s forehead so they can’t see it, if their out of body experience happens and they can relay the word back to you after wards, you’ve succeeded
then repeat about 40 times with other patients, show your work to other neuroscientists, then form a theory
I agree with this.
Read this book by a surgeon who saw this phenomenon so often that he investigated this.
Beyond Deaths Door, Maurice Rawlings, M.D.