Comments for Alchemystix http://alchemystix.com Exploring the Mysteries of Alchemy and Mysticism Thu, 17 May 2012 11:57:25 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 Comment on Quantum Mechanics, Technically I think it might be a miss calculation? by Biofreak http://alchemystix.com/?p=16123&cpage=1#comment-75313 Biofreak Thu, 17 May 2012 11:57:25 +0000 http://alchemystix.com/?p=16123#comment-75313 So, there are two things I want point out. First off, intrinsic randomness does not require a system to eventually behave differently. When you toss a coin, whether is lands heads or tails is random. But every single time you toss a coin, no matter how many billion upon billions of times you do it, it will always land either heads or tails. It will never do anything different since there is nothing else for it to do. The randomness in quantum mechanics is the same. It randomly decides between possible outcomes. So, after observing a quantum system many many times, it will always be in one of the possible states, but which one is random. It will never be in one of the impossible states, since they are, after all, impossible. Therefore, you should not expect to eventually see some other result from the two split experiment, simply due to quantum randomness. Secondly, consciousness isn't actually what causes a superposition to collapse. When you measure a system, you force the system to interact with a much larger system (the measurement device). Superpositions in large systems decay very very fast. So the measurement couples the small system to the large system and causes the small system's superposition to decay at the super fast rate of the big system. It just happens to be that most measuring devices involve a human. But you can measure a system without a human and it will still collapse. This idea that consciousness is required is really just a perversion of quantum science by mystics. So, there are two things I want point out. First off, intrinsic randomness does not require a system to eventually behave differently. When you toss a coin, whether is lands heads or tails is random. But every single time you toss a coin, no matter how many billion upon billions of times you do it, it will always land either heads or tails. It will never do anything different since there is nothing else for it to do. The randomness in quantum mechanics is the same. It randomly decides between possible outcomes. So, after observing a quantum system many many times, it will always be in one of the possible states, but which one is random. It will never be in one of the impossible states, since they are, after all, impossible. Therefore, you should not expect to eventually see some other result from the two split experiment, simply due to quantum randomness.

Secondly, consciousness isn’t actually what causes a superposition to collapse. When you measure a system, you force the system to interact with a much larger system (the measurement device). Superpositions in large systems decay very very fast. So the measurement couples the small system to the large system and causes the small system’s superposition to decay at the super fast rate of the big system. It just happens to be that most measuring devices involve a human. But you can measure a system without a human and it will still collapse. This idea that consciousness is required is really just a perversion of quantum science by mystics.

]]> Comment on Quantum Mechanics, Technically I think it might be a miss calculation? by scottsdalehigh64 http://alchemystix.com/?p=16123&cpage=1#comment-75312 scottsdalehigh64 Thu, 17 May 2012 11:44:28 +0000 http://alchemystix.com/?p=16123#comment-75312 I think that your knowledge of quantum mechanics is extremely superficial. I think that your knowledge of quantum mechanics is extremely superficial.

]]> Comment on Quantum Mechanics, Technically I think it might be a miss calculation? by kasilas http://alchemystix.com/?p=16123&cpage=1#comment-75311 kasilas Thu, 17 May 2012 10:58:58 +0000 http://alchemystix.com/?p=16123#comment-75311 You should look up "the interpretations of Quantum Mechanics". One of which does involve the need for consciousness to collapse a waveform. (So if noone hears the tree falling in that forest then it's merely in a superposition of fallen and unfallen states). However their are much more likely (to my mind anyway) interpretations not requiring a special place for conscious. These interpretations avoid the whole "how to make a universe without anyone watching it" problem and are equally perfectly suited to Quantum mechanical results. So whilst philosophizing on Quantum mechanics is wonderful. To avoid becoming just another new age mystic cloaked in scientific language (an internet specialty) you really should do much more research. For example you have several mistakes in your posting. I realize this sounds critical but it truly is not meant like that. It's just a warning that if you want to philosophize based on science you better know the science pretty damn well first. You should look up “the interpretations of Quantum Mechanics”. One of which does involve the need for consciousness to collapse a waveform. (So if noone hears the tree falling in that forest then it’s merely in a superposition of fallen and unfallen states).

However their are much more likely (to my mind anyway) interpretations not requiring a special place for conscious. These interpretations avoid the whole “how to make a universe without anyone watching it” problem and are equally perfectly suited to Quantum mechanical results.

So whilst philosophizing on Quantum mechanics is wonderful. To avoid becoming just another new age mystic cloaked in scientific language (an internet specialty) you really should do much more research. For example you have several mistakes in your posting.

I realize this sounds critical but it truly is not meant like that. It’s just a warning that if you want to philosophize based on science you better know the science pretty damn well first.

]]> Comment on Mahayana buddhism and tehh quantum mechanics? by bo k http://alchemystix.com/?p=16121&cpage=1#comment-75310 bo k Wed, 16 May 2012 10:42:21 +0000 http://alchemystix.com/?p=16121#comment-75310 The following is my latest discussion in my group. In the world of quantum physics, there is something which Einstein described ‘’spooky action at a distance’’. This is known as Quantum Entanglement. In short, if we make some changes to a particle, we found that it affects the other particle at a distance although there is no physical connection between them. I might discuss more about this at some point in the future, but today I will discuss similar but more important in Buddhist practice. Of course, it is about Mind and Matter which is bread and butter of Buddhism. Mind and Matter is also entangled to each other in the sense that if the brain (Matter) sees, Mind also sees. If the brain is happy (dopamine effect), Mind is happy at the same time. If the brain is confused (Dementia), Mind is also confused. So, it is fair to say Mind & Matter are very much entangled and there is not much we can do about it (anatta). Buddhism says that is due to strong binding forces gluing the two. This force is known as The Main Force or hetu paccayo in Sanskrit language. Greed and Anger are some of the main forces that bind Mind & Matter firmly. As long as we are attached to pleasure, we are potentially breeding Greed and Anger. That is the reason; Buddhism singled out attachment to pleasure and tries to control that. If we are successful and can get rid of Greed and Anger, Mind and Matter can be disentangled (nama-rupa paricheda nana). We might never understand the effect of Quantum Entanglement but Buddhism understands the importance o f Mind & Matter Entanglement and shows us the method of disentangling the two. If you want to read more of this type of discussion, please visit my group at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/BestofBuddhism_group/ The following is my latest discussion in my group.

In the world of quantum physics, there is something which Einstein described ‘’spooky action at a distance’’.
This is known as Quantum Entanglement.
In short, if we make some changes to a particle, we found that it affects the other particle at a distance although there is no physical connection between them.
I might discuss more about this at some point in the future, but today I will discuss similar but more important in Buddhist practice.
Of course, it is about Mind and Matter which is bread and butter of Buddhism.
Mind and Matter is also entangled to each other in the sense that if the brain (Matter) sees, Mind also sees. If the brain is happy (dopamine effect), Mind is happy at the same time. If the brain is confused (Dementia), Mind is also confused. So, it is fair to say Mind & Matter are very much entangled and there is not much we can do about it (anatta).
Buddhism says that is due to strong binding forces gluing the two. This force is known as The Main Force or hetu paccayo in Sanskrit language.
Greed and Anger are some of the main forces that bind Mind & Matter firmly. As long as we are attached to pleasure, we are potentially breeding Greed and Anger. That is the reason; Buddhism singled out attachment to pleasure and tries to control that. If we are successful and can get rid of Greed and Anger, Mind and Matter can be disentangled (nama-rupa paricheda nana).

We might never understand the effect of Quantum Entanglement but Buddhism understands the importance o f Mind & Matter Entanglement and shows us the method of disentangling the two.

If you want to read more of this type of discussion, please visit my group at:

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/BestofBuddhism_group/

]]> Comment on Mahayana buddhism and tehh quantum mechanics? by Pink Lille http://alchemystix.com/?p=16121&cpage=1#comment-75309 Pink Lille Wed, 16 May 2012 09:56:53 +0000 http://alchemystix.com/?p=16121#comment-75309 two sides of the same coin???????????????? yeah true but buddhist go with the experiences and the other one with the intellectual. thats the different. the first one becomes the absents of emotions and the second one with full of emotions. two sides of the same coin???????????????? yeah true but buddhist go with the experiences and the other one with the intellectual. thats the different. the first one becomes the absents of emotions and the second one with full of emotions.

]]> Comment on Mahayana buddhism and tehh quantum mechanics? by M'aiq The liar http://alchemystix.com/?p=16121&cpage=1#comment-75308 M'aiq The liar Wed, 16 May 2012 09:18:05 +0000 http://alchemystix.com/?p=16121#comment-75308 You maybe misunderstanding what is meant by Buddhist Emptiness. That concept is just about how there is nothing that inherently makes something, it relates to the self. A "self" doesn't exist because there is no inherent thing that makes a self. The same thing is applied to everything else. Like a car doesn't necessarily exist because there is no one thing that makes a car a car. It's just a hunk of metal and plastic that's been meticulously rearranged. That's what Buddhist emptiness is. I don't really know enough about Quantum Mechanics to relate some of it to Buddhism. Buddhism doesn't really tell you how to live your life. It's merely wisdom. With that wisdom, you may choose to live your life one way or another. You can't be told what to do by a concept. You maybe misunderstanding what is meant by Buddhist Emptiness. That concept is just about how there is nothing that inherently makes something, it relates to the self. A “self” doesn’t exist because there is no inherent thing that makes a self. The same thing is applied to everything else. Like a car doesn’t necessarily exist because there is no one thing that makes a car a car. It’s just a hunk of metal and plastic that’s been meticulously rearranged. That’s what Buddhist emptiness is.

I don’t really know enough about Quantum Mechanics to relate some of it to Buddhism.

Buddhism doesn’t really tell you how to live your life. It’s merely wisdom. With that wisdom, you may choose to live your life one way or another. You can’t be told what to do by a concept.

]]> Comment on I am planning a novella, what do you think of the story? by Elyse http://alchemystix.com/?p=16120&cpage=1#comment-75307 Elyse Tue, 15 May 2012 21:23:19 +0000 http://alchemystix.com/?p=16120#comment-75307 i really like this idea. :) are they gonna fall in lurrve? ;) lol what do you think of mine so far? http://www.fictionpress.com/s/2675311/2/Ohio_is_For_Lovers i really like this idea. :)

are they gonna fall in lurrve? ;) lol

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]]> Comment on I am planning a novella, what do you think of the story? by ♥Jessa♥Its a 619 thang♥ http://alchemystix.com/?p=16120&cpage=1#comment-75306 ♥Jessa♥Its a 619 thang♥ Tue, 15 May 2012 21:19:13 +0000 http://alchemystix.com/?p=16120#comment-75306 Omg that sounds great and sounds like something I would read. Omg that sounds great and sounds like something I would read.

]]> Comment on I am planning a novella, what do you think of the story? by jnk http://alchemystix.com/?p=16120&cpage=1#comment-75305 jnk Tue, 15 May 2012 20:19:17 +0000 http://alchemystix.com/?p=16120#comment-75305 Sounds interesting. I know I've never read anything like that. Sounds interesting. I know I’ve never read anything like that.

]]> Comment on In The Nature of Our Reality? by Prometheus http://alchemystix.com/?p=16119&cpage=1#comment-75304 Prometheus Tue, 15 May 2012 07:31:42 +0000 http://alchemystix.com/?p=16119#comment-75304 well OK , what is reality ? and what is the title of your book... do you have a website ? I have also written a book which deals witrh many questions concerning physics, quantum physics, metaphysics, the paranormal, perception, reality, illusion, subjectivity, objectivity, and so on. These can all be related to each other, as I have done in my book. I believe my book would be in the same genre as yours, more or less. The title of my book is 'A NEW FORM OF ENERGY; ITS DESCRIPTION; ITS GENERATION; AND ITS APPLICATIONS'. (Amazon). My website is ... www.energyandphysicsatotalbreakthrough.com ... In my view reality is that which we agree upon... it is or is not a shared thing. Some things are agreed upon by a minority of the population while some things have the majority of agreement. The realtiy of something depends upon the amount of agreement. However reality may be shared by only one individual so that his reality differs from everyone else's. This does not invalidate it as a personal reality however. What we normally refer to as reality is what we agree to. Solid aspects of the physical universe evidently have the greatest amount of agreement. Abstract elements such as time have the least agreement and that is why people have difficulty agreeing upon time. !! well OK , what is reality ? and what is the title of your book… do you have a website ? I have also written a book which deals witrh many questions concerning physics, quantum physics, metaphysics, the paranormal, perception, reality, illusion, subjectivity, objectivity, and so on. These can all be related to each other, as I have done in my book. I believe my book would be in the same genre as yours, more or less. The title of my book is ‘A NEW FORM OF ENERGY; ITS DESCRIPTION; ITS GENERATION; AND ITS APPLICATIONS’. (Amazon).
My website is … http://www.energyandphysicsatotalbreakthrough.com
… In my view reality is that which we agree upon… it is or is not a shared thing. Some things are agreed upon by a minority of the population while some things have the majority of agreement. The realtiy of something depends upon the amount of agreement. However reality may be shared by only one individual so that his reality differs from everyone else’s. This does not invalidate it as a personal reality however. What we normally refer to as reality is what we agree to.
Solid aspects of the physical universe evidently have the greatest amount of agreement. Abstract elements such as time have the least agreement and that is why people have difficulty agreeing upon time. !!

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